Y-chromosome “J2” November 2015

Dear Believers:

Today we take a look at the Y-DNA of “J2” as a possibility to be a biological descendant of Jacob as many geneticists believe but with scarce proof.

In Etz Yoseph we have 7 Y-chromosome haplogroup “J2” that decided to probe deeper into their DNA to find similarities and differences that may lead us in the near future to the identification of the biological descendants of Jacob. See chart below.

We have four “J2” that are from Cuba, Puerto Rico, USA(Syria), Guyana (Portugal). All of them share the “J2a” Haplogroup. Two of them, only 3 generations ago, they were still in Portugal and Syria.

We also have three “J2” that are from Puerto Rico, Cuba and Colombia who all share the “J2b” haplogroup. These three have been in the Caribbean heat for more than five generations.

Does it make any difference how long you have been in the Caribbean to have a mutation? To go from “J2” to “J2a” or to go from “J2” to “J2b”?

It seems like the genetic mutation rates are faster at the end of the branches than at the trunk of the tree. We still cannot tell how fast they are mutating as their exposure to air, rain, dust, ultraviolet light, etc seems to be greater at the tips of the tree than at the base, so the mutations caused by environmental exposure are more frequent and common at the superficial smaller branches than at the deeper bigger stem. In other words, the main classification of the Y-haplogroup in the tree, the wide branches like “J2” or “J1,” or “E1b” or “R1b” or “I” may take  several thousands of years to get a mutation , while J2a1h2,     referring to    the a1 h2 in the outer branches,  might mutate much faster within 1 -3 generations….

We hope that the rest of the “J2” in the group will test deeper their Y-DNA and also answer the 17 questions along with letting us know about their hobbies and occupations in that paternal line. Also that the ones that are not Y-haplogroup “J2” in their paternal line will continue to look for the “J2” into the Y-Chromosome DNA of their other 3 grandparent lines…

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368173  USA/Cuba             Pedro de la Cruz, 1856      J-FGC35503

J2a1   L26/Page55/PF5110/S57, F4326/L27/PF5111/S396

J2a1h2   L25/PF5345/S399

 

CTS7404+, CTS7683+, CTS7738+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS8243+, CTS8264+, CTS852+, CTS886+, CTS8938+, CTS8980+, CTS9240+, CTS9718+, CTS9828+, F1046+, F1167+, F1181+, F1183+, F1209+, F1227+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1450+, F1460+, F1559+, F1634+, F1704+, F1714+, F1744+, F1753+, F1767+, F1900+, F2048+, F2075+, F2078+, F2116+, F2142+, F2155+, F2174+, F2276+, F2302+, F2345+, F2355+, F2366+, F2390+, F2402+, F2418+, F2502+, F2587+, F2672+, F2688+, F2710+, F2746+, F2749+, F2769+, F2794+, F2817+, F2837+, F2839+, F2933+, F2973+, F2985+, F2993+, F3074+, F3111+, F3119+, F3136+, F3335+, F3343+, F3347+, F3358+, F3368+, F3384+, F3402+, F3556+, F3692+, F4072+, F4074+, F4095+, F4100+, F4106+, F4188+, F4259+, F4266+, F4272+, F4283+, F4290+, F4334+, F4344+, F719+, Z387+, CTS10036+, CTS1030+, CTS10362+, CTS1068+, CTS10711+, CTS10858+, CTS109+, CTS11298+, CTS113+, CTS11358+, CTS11571+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS11765+, CTS11787+, CTS1192+, CTS11983+, CTS12014+, CTS12015+, CTS12047+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS3936+, CTS3996+, CTS4360+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4443+, CTS4540+, CTS4740+, CTS4928+, CTS5066+, CTS5280+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5482+, CTS5532+, CTS5628+, CTS5867+, CTS1634+, CTS1996+, CTS2192+, CTS2769+, CTS3331+, CTS3431+, CTS3536+, F841+, F922+, L132+, L134+, L15+, L16+, L212+, CTS6135+, CTS6383+, CTS6800+, CTS6907+, CTS6932+, L228+, L24+, L25+, L26+, L27+, L403+, L468+, L470+, L498+, L505+, L559+, L350+, L748+, L778+, M42+, M89+, M94+, P123+, P124+, P126+, P127+, P130+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P209+, P305+, PAGES00026+, PAGES00081+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF3515+, PF3517+, PF3518+, PF3534+, PF3560+, PF3561+, PF3562+, PF4490+, PF4491+, PF4500+, PF4513+, PF4521+, PF4527+, PF4530+, PF4572+, PF4591+, PF4595+, PF4597+, PF4598+, PF4610+, PF4622+, PF4886+, PF4891+, PF4901+, PF4925+, PF4935+, PF4942+, PF4947+, PF4952+, PF4955+, PF4959+, PF4982+, PF4984+, PF4985+, PF4992+, PF500+, PF5084+, PF5091+, PF5104+, PF5105+, PF5106+, PF5160+, PF5163+, PF5164+, PF5268+, PF5269+, PF5270+, PF5282+, PF5283+, PF5301+, PF5311+, PF5316+, PF5332+, PF5333+, PF5336+, PF5341+, PF5415+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, V168+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V221+, V241+, V250+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000056+, YSC0000064+, YSC0000066+, YSC0000165+, YSC0000197+, YSC0000228+, YSC0000236+, YSC0000239+, YSC0000265+, Z1849+, Z385+, Z445+, CTS10036+, CTS1030+, CTS1068+, CTS10711+, CTS10834+, CTS10858+, CTS11298+, CTS113+, CTS11571+, CTS11765+, CTS11787+, CTS1192+, CTS11983+, CTS12014+, CTS12015+, CTS12047+, CTS2192+, CTS2769+, CTS3654+, CTS3936+, CTS4360+, CTS4437+, CTS4540+, CTS4928+, CTS5066+, CTS5280+, CTS5482+, CTS5628+, CTS5867+, CTS5884+, CTS623+, CTS6932+, CTS7683+, CTS7738+, CTS8264+, CTS852+, CTS886+, CTS8938+, CTS9240+, CTS9718+, F1209+, F1227+, F1559+, F1744+, F2746+, F3692+, F4074+, F719+, FGC22149+, FGC35503+, L132+, L134+, L15+, L16+, L212+, L228+, L24+, L25+, L26+, L27+, L350+, L403+, L468+, L470+, L498+, L505+, L559+, L60+, L748+, L778+, M168+, M172+, M213+, M235+, M294+, M299+, M304+, M410+, M42+, M89+, M94+, P123+, P124+, P125+, P126+, P127+, P129+, P130+, P133+, P134+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P139+, P14+, P140+, P141+, P143+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P149+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P161+, P163+, P166+, P187+, P209+, P316+, PAGES00026+, PAGES00081+, PF2591+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF3562+, PF4513+, PF4521+, PF4527+, PF4572+, PF4591+, PF4595+, PF4597+, PF4598+, PF4610+, PF4622+, PF4901+, PF4925+, PF4947+, PF4952+, PF4955+, PF4982+, PF4985+, PF5088+, PF5091+, PF5104+, PF5105+, PF5106+, PF5160+, PF5282+, PF5283+, PF5301+, PF5311+, PF5316+, PF5332+, PF5333+, PF5336+, PF5341+, PF5415+, PF5436+, PF6464+, PF6469+, PF6470+, PF6477+, PF6479+, PF6520+, V241+, V250+, YSC0000207+, YSC0000227+, Z2222+, Z396+, Z399+, Z421+, Z440+, M139+, M168+, M172+, M235+, M294+, M304+, PF5428+, PF5436+, PF667+, PF719+, PF725+, Z387+, Z388+, Z391+, Z393+, Z394+, Z396+, Z399+, Z400+, Z401+, Z402+, Z404+, Z405+, Z406+, Z407+, Z408+, Z409+, Z410+, Z411+, Z416+, Z420+, Z421+, Z422+, Z424+, Z426+, Z427+, Z434+, Z436+, Z437+, Z439+, Z440+, Z442+, Z444-, Z435-, Z425-, Z415-, Z395-, PF7434-, PF7435-, PF7437-, PF5441-, PF5444-, PF5456-, M318-, Z386-, PF5425-, PF3927-, M137-, L397-, L398-, L70-, L295-, CTS7182-, L222-, CTS359-, CTS3601-, CTS6061-, CTS1486-, CTS11748-, F801-

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II)

222742  USA/Guyana/Portugal                    J-L25

J2a1   L26/Page55/PF5110/S57, F4326/L27/PF5111/S396

J2a1h2   L25/PF5345/S399

 

PF5088+, Z2222+, L24+, L25+, L26+, M410+, CTS7683+, M172+, M582-, M102-, CTS9636-, FGC15782-, FGC15865-, FGC16088-, FGC16096-, FGC30776-, FGC35005-, L283-, L290-, M12-, M205-, M241-, M319-, M340-, M419-, M67-, M68-, P279-, PF5050-, PF5056-, PF5058-, Z2227-, Z2443-, Z2444-, Z2448-, Z28502-, Z34440-, Z34460-, Z35865-, Z36800-, Z467-, Z500-, Z575-, Z590-, Z6048-, Z6049-, Z6057-, Z6060-, Z6064-, Z6065-, Z6091-, Z628-, Z7366-, Z7430-, Z7671-, Z7700-, Z8074-, Z8085-, Z8425-, Z8428-, Z8429-, Z8430-, PF5125-, PF5172-, PF5174-, PF5183-, PF5191-, PF5197-, PF5252-, PF7316-, PF7320-, PF7384-, PF7413-, PF7415-, PF7418-, PF7421-, PH3085-, PH4970-, S15439-, S18115-, S19231-, S23154-, S23891-, S25338-, SK1317-, SK1363-, SK1390-, SK1395-, SK1396-, Y12386-, Y14678-, Y5168-, Y5169-, Y5500-, Y7708-, Y8378-, Y8880-, Y8991-, Y8992-, Y9347-, Y965-, Y972-, Y978-, Y998-, YP113-, YP129-, Z1048-, Z1296-, Z1297-, Z1846-

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III)

150114  USA/Puerto Rico, Born 1770 Penuelas Puerto Rico           J-M319

J2a1   L26/Page55/PF5110/S57, F4326/L27/PF5111/S396

J2a1d   M319

L26+, L27+, M319+, M339-, M419-, M47-, M67-, M68-, P81-, L24-, L25-

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IV)

293670  USA/Syria                            J-Z8074

J2a1   L26/Page55/PF5110/S57, F4326/L27/PF5111/S396

PF5191+, PF5197+, M172+, CTS7683+, M410+, Z2222+, L26+, PF5088+, PF5172+, PF5174+, Z8074+, Z8085-, Z8425-, Z8428-, Z8429-, Z8430-, PF5183-, PF5125-, L283-, L290-, M205-, M241-, M319-, M340-, Z2227-, Z2443-, Z2444-, Z2448-, Z28502-, Z34440-, Z34460-, Z35865-, Z36800-, Z467-, Z500-, Z575-, Z590-, Z6048-, Z6049-, Z6057-, Z6060-, Z6064-, Z6065-, Z6091-, Z628-, Z7366-, Z7430-, Z7671-, Z7700-, M419-, M67-, M68-, P279-, PF5050-, PF5056-, PF5058-, CTS9636-, FGC16088-, FGC16096-, FGC30776-, FGC35005-, L24-, L25-, PF5252-, PF7316-, PF7320-, PF7384-, PF7413-, PF7415-, PF7418-, PF7421-, PH3085-, PH4970-, S15439-, S18115-, S19231-, S23154-, S23891-, S25338-, SK1317-, SK1363-, SK1390-, SK1395-, SK1396-, Y12386-, Y14678-, Y5168-, Y5169-, Y5500-, Y7708-, Y8378-, Y8880-, Y8991-, Y8992-, Y9347-, Y965-, Y972-, Y998-, YP113-, YP129-, Z1048-, Z1296-, Z1297-, Z1846-

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V)

211388  USA/Puerto Rico

J2b   L282, M12, M102, M221, M314/PF4939

J2b1   M205

J-M205 M12+, M205+

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VI)

222743  USA/Colombia J-M205

J2b   L282, M12, M102, M221, M314/PF4939

J2b1   M205

PF7316+, M12+, M172+, M205+, M241-, M319-, M340-, M410-, M419-, M67-, M68-, P279-, PF5050-, PF5056-, PF5058-, PF5088-, PF5125-, PF5172-, PF5174-, PF5183-, PF5191-, PF5197-, PF5252-, CTS7683-, CTS9636-, FGC15782-, FGC15865-, FGC16088-, FGC16096-, FGC30776-, FGC35005-, L24-, L25-, L26-, L283-, L290-, PF7320-, PF7384-, PF7413-, PF7415-, PF7418-, PF7421-, PH3085-, PH4970-, S15439-, S18115-, S19231-, S23154-, S23891-, S25338-, SK1317-, SK1363-, SK1390-, SK1395-, SK1396-, Y12386-, Y14678-, Y5168-, Y5169-, Y5500-, Y7708-, Y8378-, Y8880-, Y8991-, Y8992-, Y9347-, Y965-, Y972-, Y978-, Y998-, YP113-, YP129-, Z1048-, Z1296-, Z1297-, Z1846-, Z2222-, Z2227-, Z2443-, Z2444-, Z2448-, Z28502-, Z34440-, Z34460-, Z35865-, Z36800-, Z467-, Z500-, Z575-, Z590-, Z6048-, Z6049-, Z6057-, Z6060-, Z6064-, Z6065-, Z6091-, Z628-, Z7366-, Z7430-, Z7671-, Z7700-, Z8074-, Z8085-, Z8425-, Z8428-, Z8429-, Z8430-

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VII)

293669  Cuba                     J-Z2444

J2b   L282, M12, M102, M221, M314/PF4939

J2b2   M241

M241+, M102+, Z2444+, Z575+, M12+, M172+, M205-, Z590-, Z6048-, Z6049-, Z6057-, Z6060-, Z6064-, Z6065-, Z6091-, Z628-, Z7366-, Z7430-, Z7671-, Z7700-, Z8074-, Z8085-, Z8425-, Z8428-, Z8429-, Z8430-, Z2448-, Z28502-, Z34440-, Z34460-, Z35865-, Z36800-, Z467-, Z500-, M410-, CTS7683-, CTS9636-, FGC16096-, FGC30776-, FGC35005-, L24-, L25-, L26-, L283-, L290-, M319-, M340-, M419-, M67-, M68-, P279-, PF5050-, PF5056-, PF5058-, PF5088-, PF5125-, PF5172-, PF5174-, PF5183-, PF5191-, PF5197-, PF5252-, PF7316-, PF7320-, PF7384-, PF7413-, PF7415-, PF7418-, PF7421-, PH3085-, PH4970-, S15439-, S18115-, S19231-, S23154-, S23891-, S25338-, SK1317-, SK1363-, SK1390-, SK1395-, SK1396-, Y12386-, Y14678-, Y5168-, Y5169-, Y5500-, Y7708-, Y8378-, Y8880-, Y8991-, Y8992-, Y9347-, Y965-, Y972-, Y998-, YP113-, YP129-, Z1048-, Z1296-, Z1297-, Z1846-, Z2222-, Z2227-, Z2443-

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Have you ever hear the line, that if you walk like a duck, you quack like a duck, your ancestors were ducks, you must be a duck?

duck

 

Are we Jews even if we believe in the Jewish Messiah Yeshua that was forecasted in the Torah in Genesis 3:15, Genesis 12:3 and Deuteronomy 18:18?

Do we stop being a Jew because we follow the Word of Hashem left in the Tanak and Britt Hadasha and we do not follow the man guided religious laws of Judaism?

The answers seem to be: We are not all Jews, but we are all Israelites believers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We are believers of His promises left in writing in the Tanak, so man and behind him Hasatan would not deceive us.

There is a man born in Judaism and he came to believe in Yeshua the Messiah. He is Dr. Sam Nadler from New York and he has expressed the questions presented above with answers to two different points of views:

1) To a Jewish Rabbi that denies Sam’s Jewishnes because he believes in Messiah Yeshua.

2) To a pastor that came from Judaism that denies Dr. Nadler’s Judaism because they have become believers of Jesus based on Galatians 3:28

It is one of the best answers and guided by our Lord I am sure. It follows its publication in Charisma and I quote in red:

“If Yeshua is the true Messiah, then it is kosher that I as a Jewish person believe in Him. And I would be a Jew in good standing with God, even if no one else agreed.

For arguments sake, suppose that Yeshua is a false Messiah. In the eyes of rabbinical authority, I must still be seen as a Jew. Why? Because, believing in a false messiah does not make any Jew a non-Jew. For example, in 132 c.e., Simon Bar Kochba was a leader during the Jewish revolt against Rome. Rabbi Akiva ( a very famous rabbi) declared Bar Kochba to be the Messiah, although at the time Bar Kochba had none of the accepted credentials.

However, no Jewish authority has ever said, “Akiva is no longer Jewish for believing in a false messiah.”

If, after endorsing a false messiah, Akiva is still considered to be a Jew in good standing, then one who believes Yeshua is Messiah cannot be consider otherwise.

In a synagogue on Long Island, New York, I once gave a presentation of why I believed Yeshua is the Messiah. Afterward the senior rabbi stood up and declared, “Nadler, you’re not longer a Jew because of your belief in Jesus!”

“Rabbi,” I responded, “if the Bostoner Rebbe says I am still a Jew, though a wayward Jew, and if the Encyclopedia Judaica declares I’m still a Jew, though a wayward one, then on what basis can you say I’m no longer a Jew?” “Well”, the rabbi said, “perhaps I’m wrong.” “Rabbi”, I quietly responded, “maybe you’re wrong about more than just that?

To my astonishment, the synagogue audience of over a hundred Jewish people erupted into applause. It was apparent to all who would consider the issues objectively that a Jew who believes in Yeshua is still a Jew, whether the rabbi approves or not.

….

A few years back, I was invited to speak on a secular radio call-in show in Miami, Florida. I received a number of “you’re-no-longer-a-Jew” calls from Jewish listeners. Then a call came in from a more polite gentleman: ”Mr Nadler, now that you’re a believer in Jesus you’re no longer a Jew, for the bible says that in Messiah there’s neither Jew nor Greek.”

I recognized the Scripture portion and responded over the air, “Oh, you mean Galatians 3:28, “there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female; for we are all one in Messiah Jesus”

“Exactly,” the caller replied.

“Then let me ask you a question. Are you a believer?”

“Yes, I am,” he answered.

“Great. Are you married?” I asked.

“Well, yes, I’m married,” he slowly answered.

“Is your wife a believer?”

“Yes, she’s a believer,” he responded after a longer pause.

“Well,’’ I said, pausing to catch my breath. “If you’re a believer and still a male, and your wife is a believer and still a female, then I am a believer and still a Jew. The verse in Galatians is not teaching that we lose our identities in Messiah, but that there’s only one way to God for all people”

An extremely long pause, then “You mean…I’m still Jewish?”

“If you were born a Jew,” I responded, “then you’re still a Jew”

“Hallelujah!” he shouted over the airwaves, “they told me I was no longer Jewish”

Yes, it has been said that one cannot believe in Jesus and still be Jewish. However, if, as the Bible teaches, Yeshua is the Jewish Messiah, then trusting in Him is the most Jewish decision a person could make.”

So what about the Bnei Anusim, the descendants of Jews that were forcible converted from Judaism to Catholicism hundreds of years ago, are they still Jews?

“ the maximum generational distance for acceptance as Jews (without the requirement of formal reversion/conversion) is between 3 to 5 generations from the anusim forebear/s who was/were forced to convert from Judaism to Catholicism.”

Halakhically non-Jewish status, however, does not preclude Sephardic Bnei Anusim from being classed as Zera Yisrael, since they are otherwise of Jewish ancestry.

Are many of us  Zera Yisrael? This is an account in Wikipedia, Judaica Encyclopedia:

Zera Yisrael

Although not halakhically Jewish as a collective group, Sephardic Bnei Anusim, being of attestable Jewish ancestry, are broadly categorized as Zera Yisrael (זרע ישראל, literally “Seed of Israel”).[5] Zera Yisrael are the Halakhically non-Jewish descendants of Jews who, for practical purposes, are neither Jews nor completely gentile.

According to some of the most prominent medieval Jewish sages, the designation of Zera Yisrael means that although these persons are not halakhically Jewish, they do nevertheless embody “the holiness of Israel.”[5] (http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/We-need-to-embrace-zera-Yisrael)

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September 27, 2015 6:00 PM. Cotton field on SW of Nazareth Israel, moon rise at East as sun sets on the West. This is the moon that will turn red due to a complete lunar eclipse on the sky of Jerusalem on September 28, 2015 at 4:00 am, the Feast of Tabernacles.

Expecting to hear soon from many of you,

Isaiah 61:11 

 For as the soil makes the sprout come up and a garden causes seeds to grow, so the Sovereign LORD will make righteousness and praise spring up before all nations.”

Blessings in the Love of Yeshua,

Alex & Georgina

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